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Spencer Carpenter

Founder of Outlier Audio, Podcast Booking Agency
Spencer Carpenter
Background

About Spencer Carpenter

Podcast BookingGuest StrategyPersonal BrandingAudience TargetingContent Repurposing

Spencer Carpenter is the founder of Outlier Audio, a full-service podcast booking agency representing entrepreneurs, authors, and investors, with a specialty in real estate investors. He came to podcasting from the music industry, where he spent over a decade in talent management and representation, event and festival organizing, and running a record label. When live music shut down during COVID-19, he saw business owners looking for a new way to reach people and built an agency around getting them on the right shows.

Since 2020, Spencer has booked more than 3,500 interviews for over 250 clients, generating millions of listens. That roster runs from solopreneurs and first-time authors to investment funds with more than $1B under management, Inc. 500 companies, and Top 10 keynote speakers. His clients have appeared on Entrepreneurs on Fire, The Subtle Art of Not Giving A F*ck with Mark Manson, Motley Fool Money, The ONE Thing, Rich Dad Radio Show, BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast, The Smart Passive Income with Pat Flynn, So Money with Farnoosh Torabi, Dropping Bombs with Brad Lea, and The Stacking Benjamins Show.

On The Daily Mastermind, Spencer joined George Wright III to explain why audience fit beats audience size when you pitch podcasts. He walked through his KAOR framework for finding shows worth pitching, compared hosting your own podcast against guesting on someone else's, and made the case that the real return on an interview shows up in relationships, search visibility, and reusable content — not in same-week sales. He also shared the client who booked fourteen interviews with nothing to show for it, then landed four clients on the fifteenth.

Key Insights

Key takeaways from Spencer

01
Fifty of the right listeners beat a hundred thousand of the wrong ones.
Spencer points to a guest who appeared on Diary of a CEO, one of the largest entrepreneurship shows in the world, and sold zero books. Stop asking how big the audience is. Ask whether that audience actually needs what you offer.
02
Build your pitch from keywords, audience, and outcome — then add yourself.
KAOR strings together the terms your people search, exactly who you want listening, and the result they want. "Helping accredited investors invest in real estate passively so they can retire early" is the raw formula. Personal perspective is what keeps it from sounding like every other pitch.
03
Study people a few steps ahead of you, not the biggest names in your field.
The R in KAOR is reputable figures — practitioners slightly further along than you are. Their podcast appearances are researchable and their shows are realistically bookable, which makes them a better map than chasing whoever tops the charts.
04
Fourteen interviews produced nothing. The fifteenth produced $80,000.
A CPA attorney client saw zero conversions across fourteen appearances, then landed four clients from the fifteenth worth $80,000 in initial legal fees and eventually more than a million in total business. Judging any single interview by its immediate outcome misses what is compounding underneath.
05
Your personal brand outlasts whatever you're selling today.
Tie every appearance to your current offer and the value evaporates the moment the business pivots. Build authority around who you are and what you know instead, and the credibility carries into the next venture, investment, or industry.