okay welcome back to the daily mastermind george wright the third with your daily dose of inspiration motivation and education and i'm joined in studio today with an amazing guest miguel bautista how are you doing brother i'm doing excellent just really excited to be here yeah yeah it's been it's sometimes it's tough to coordinate but i'll tell you what i'm really excited for you to be here because we're talking about the topic of overcoming fatigue brain fog, chronic pain. And so let me give a quick introduction so our audience knows you. You've done a lot of things. You've written a book, author of Thriver, Not Survivor, How to Beat Chronic Fatigue, but you've helped, more importantly, thousands of people to overcome fatigue, brain fog, chronic pain. You developed this CFS recovery system, which is a program that's helped over a thousand people go from kind of bedridden to thriving. And being a former athlete and someone who's kind of gone through everything from coaching and discipline, I think your topic today is going to be really helpful for a lot of people. So I really do appreciate you taking some time. I'm looking forward to our conversation. Absolutely. And I think it's going to help a lot of people, especially with chronic fatigue syndrome. It's so much more than fatigue. There's so many of these weird symptoms going on. There's lots of burnout that leads into this, which a lot of entrepreneurs get a lot of type A personalities, high achievers. Those are like, those are the people with a perfect recipe to get something like this. And usually by the time they're, they're finding us, it's, you know, they're in the severe stages of it. So hopefully this helps people. Yeah. And I think for those of you listening, you know, we're going to be getting into details that you might associate with burnout, stress, chronic fatigue, or you might have something more specific and we'll kind of get into all that as well. Miguel, one thing that might really help everyone is to give a little bit of your background and your personal journey, because you had this story of your own going from being bedridden to, you know, hiking in Hawaii. It's pretty, it's pretty inspiring, but it also kind of lays a foundation for why you are really qualified to talk about this subject. Cause so could you kind of share that with us, your story and what led you up to everything you're doing right now we can dig into? Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like my story, I think we have to look back even before I had all of these symptoms start coming up, you know, what was life like leading up to it? You know, I was just a regular kid, loved playing outside, grew up in Vancouver, BC, you know, simple family. And growing up, I realized I was, I just couldn't sit still. I was always very driven, almost too driven for my own good. I was, I had this extreme personality. I remember in elementary school, the first time I got a c plus i felt like a complete failure right so i was used to getting those straight a's i was like that perfectionist and i i put a lot of pressure on my myself growing up to always quote unquote succeed right and fast forward several years this drive inside led to you know very fruitful things early on in my life like wrestling team captain high school football team captain straight A's honors student and after I graduated I was actually I ended up being one of the top selling personal trainers in a company with over 300 trainers I was 22 years old at the time and you know I had a nice car was making decent money so on the outside everything seemed like it was on track things were moving in the right direction on the surface but it got to the point where my body just could not keep up with the demand I was placing on it. You know, working 12, 14, 16 hour days, constantly just reading books about personal development, not sleeping right, not eating right. But most importantly, that inner voice of like, you got to do more, be more productive. You got to keep going, push harder, push harder. And I equated, I guess, success with like pain and discipline, blood, sweat, and tears. That's what I told myself in my mind. But eventually my health started slipping and I fell into a hole that was like so deep. I never thought I would get out of it. So, you know, after a handful of years, just with my health slipping, it started with brain fog and insomnia, some anxiety, random panic attacks. I didn't even know what anxiety was. Yeah. At that time. I mean, I saw anxiety as this is weakness. You're just a sissy. Just push through. Right. Right. Until you end up in the hospital. over and over again, week after week, because you can't breathe, because you feel like your heart's going to explode. You can't sleep. So anyways, things took a downhill turn. And then after about four years of dealing with that, it was actually, I was 23 years old. This was when I was at rock bottom. I was lying in that hospital bed, all alone, unable to even sit up, couldn't feed myself. Like people beside me were being told they have four months to live, just getting out of surgery. And I thought to myself, how the heck did I end up here? Everything was on track. My life was good. And I felt like I did all the right things. And I thought I'm in so deep of a hole. I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to get out because I'd also been to doctors and specialists and alternative health specialists over the years, about 35 to 40 different specialists and doctors, dozens of emergency room visits. and all of them, they couldn't find out anything that was wrong with me. So on paper, it was perfectly healthy, but I was feeling all these symptoms. So they got my worst. I was completely bedridden, getting spoon fed for eight months straight. And imagine to go from like team captain football team, a top performing personal trainer, very active. I had a bunch of other like side business projects going on. To go from that to not even being able to shower, Like my grandma had to wipe me down for six months. And then the other two months I was in the hospital, you know, I had to learn, I had to learn how to like use a wheelchair, use a walker, get back on my own two feet. Well, and you say something that is like kind of an extreme case, which a lot of people, you know, have had this happen. But I think it's important to note that you said a couple of things I wanted to point out. and that is most people that are success driven, like entrepreneurs, founders, CEOs, and things like that, the stuff that got them where they want to be is the hard work, the grind, the hustle, and things like that. And although you got to a point where some get to that is an extreme case, many people are suffering from a lot of those symptoms and it hard for them to recognize it because what has gotten them the success or at least the recognition in their life to this point is the source of the problem But they don see that because they see that as what they needed to be successful So the last thing they want to do is change that, right? Absolutely. It's exactly what you said. And in fact, those personality traits, they double down on that. So when they feel these symptoms, they feel more tired, run down. They almost see that as a challenge of like, oh, this is my time to shine. This is where champions are made. I got to push through. Or like you said, a form of weakness and they don't want to accept it, right? So they see that as I'm going to push even harder or I'm not going to acknowledge it, right? Exactly. And like these kind of people, type A personalities, they're the last people to reach out for help or show weakness until they have absolutely no choice. So usually by the time you actually got the symptoms and you had no choice. We're going to talk later about how people can catch this early on. But so finish your story about like, what did you do? How did you get some, some success out of that? Yeah. So, you know, I feel like I won the lottery when I got paired up with my doctor in the hospital. It's actually, it's a wild story. So like the first month I was in ICU, they're running every test on me, but all my tests are coming back normal. but clearly something's wrong. I can't stop shaking. I have to wear earplugs and construction earmuffs and blindfolds because I couldn't even tolerate light. They had to blend my food a lot of times and I had to drink it because my digestive system just wasn't working. But after they ruled out the fact that my organs were actually functioning fine, they were like, look, this is probably a problem with the way your brain is communicating with your body. because on paper your heart's fine your lungs are fine everything else is fine but you know you say you're dealing with this stuff you feel it i'm like yes i'm not making this up so anyways they were like well you have an option here we can either send you home and you can come back every day to work with these other doctors and i'm like i i can't even sit up like so i can't do that and the other option was they said you know we have some a bunch of extra rooms in the psych ward if you want to stay there that way you can work with a doctor every day I was like is this their trick to tell me I'm crazy am I going to be locked up in there do they think it's in my head and they were like no you'd be a volunteer you get a special wristband you could go home anytime you want it's safe don't worry but I ended up spending the next month living at a psych ward where I got to work with a psychiatrist every day and he's the one who essentially unlocked what was going on he was like you know you're not gonna die you're feeling all these symptoms though right you can't even feed yourself this is when i was in a wheelchair they rolled me into his office yeah and they were like miguel you just pushed your body so freaking hard your body your nervous system has a limit you clearly exceeded that limit so what you're dealing with is a hypersensitive nervous system this is why everything is sensitive yeah i read that when when we was looking at at some information that you had and kind of learning more about you. And I think so many people suffer from these unexplained symptoms that traditional medicine may or may not be able to, you know, define. And when you talked about hypersensitive nervous system or this whole idea behind burnout and chronic stress related, can you actually explain what you mean when you say hypersensitive nervous system, just for the listeners? Absolutely. So what it feels like, you feel on edge. You feel overwhelmed a little bit. You feel like your tolerance for stress is much lower than it used to be. So your threshold is much lower. But essentially what it is, we all have this limit in our nervous system of how much stress we can handle. When I say nervous system, you know, I'm talking about the brain, your survival brain, right? When you stack up all these stressors, like even the pressure you put on yourself, finances, maybe business, relationships career eventually you know for a lot of people it starts to hit the ceiling now at first you'll get early warning signs you'll start getting anxiety palpitations insomnia but type a personality people they'll see that as a challenge yeah all right i need to double down so they push harder and harder and harder and the further you go above that capacity your limit the more symptoms you're going to feel until your body, your brain, it kind of just slams on the brake and it says, we don't trust you anymore. You're clearly just going to run your body into the ground. We're going to start forcing you to slow down because we've tried to warn you. Now we're going to force you. So you want to go work out? Well, we're going to give you crazy palpitations and shortness of breath. When you try that, you want to work more on the computer. We'll give you a ton of brain fog, right? So these are all kind of signs from the body. But we, people like us, we interpret them as challenges. And it's really common, like we see it, there's so many entrepreneurs who actually get this. Yeah, it's really does it stack up to I'm curious, like, you know, a lot of times people go throughout their lives. And as they get older, and they kind of move along. It's not in from what I'm what I'm reading is it's not just situational based, like I've been in this situation before, can it build up over time so that similar situations you could handle before are just more difficult for you to handle now because it's built up? Absolutely. Because that's why people say, man, I usually can handle this. I can't now. It's because it's built up, correct? Yeah, absolutely. When your threshold is maxed out, there's only so much you can handle on your plate before it starts overflowing. It's like a bucket. it. And once it slowly starts to reach that point of overflow, that's when your brain starts to signal your body to stop. It'll stop you from like even thinking. It'll give you brain fog. I've seen it stop people from even being able to look at screens because everything is blurry. They have visual snow, visual issues, even hearing issues, memory issues, anxiety, things like that. And usually there's like 40 or 50 symptoms. Yeah. So the starting point for this, is it retraining your brain, rewiring your brain? Because it's not a medical, per se, condition you would jump into. Is it begin with the brain? Or where does somebody start as they're seeing these types of symptoms and things? Is your specialty? Yeah. So number one, I mean, definitely rule out all other health issues. Go see your doctor. Go get everything checked out. Get the blood work done. And now usually when that's all completely fine, you left there wondering what the heck is going on So then people start to develop this health anxiety almost like hypochondria because you feel like you have some mysterious illness you just going to drop dead So you start to not even trust your own body. You're like, you feel your heart rate increase, you start to think, am I having a heart attack? So I would start with just educating yourself first on what's even going on. So you get out of that downward spiral. Because it's like a, it's like a loop. You feel physical symptoms, you'll get anxious about them because the doctors aren't telling you what's going on. The more anxious you are, the more on edge you are, which equals more symptoms. So the easiest way I can, the easiest analogy I can describe this as, when we think of a computer, for example, you have the hardware and then you have the software, right? Initially we think it's a hardware problem. Maybe it's the lungs, maybe it's my muscles, my legs, my adrenals, right? Once you get all of that checked out, once the hardware is okay, now we have to look at it as a software issue. The good news is you can always update the software, but it takes the individual manually going in there and updating that software, basically from a very hypersensitive survival-based brain to a thrival-based brain, a more calm, more regulated brain. Well, and a lot of people feel like there's not a lot of ways to change that, but that's why I love that concept of neuroplasticity, right? I mean, it doesn't matter how long you've been, how old you are, what your experience is, you can retrain your brain through conscious frequency, correct, and repetition and that whole concept of neuroplasticity. And also, like you've developed the system, right? The CFS recovery system. Maybe you could walk us through a little bit of what you've done, because through the thousands of people you've helped and worked with, your own personal story, you've created a real system for dealing with and creating recovery. So maybe you could take a minute and walk us through that as well, or some of the phases and pillars of what you do with your clients. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, there's a duplicatable system to go from as severe as bedridden to fully functioning, like literally running, exercising, traveling, getting your life back and actually being better than you were prior to getting sick. So number one, it really starts with education. You know, it's teaching people what exactly is happening in their body. Why are they feeling these symptoms and why is it not going away? So we do that through, you know, very short condensed like video modules and coaching calls, even a nervous system health assessment where we'll actually analyze someone's specific symptoms how long they've been sick what stage are they at in terms of severity and then we'll match that to a certain um a certain approach because the different stages of severity have different approaches um so number one is the education number two it's it's getting them in the community as well once they realize that there's actually other people dealing with this yeah not just them it helps them feel a lot better they sleep better at night because most people we see or who come to us, they haven't heard anybody, haven't heard about anybody else who has this. In fact, the doctors don't even know what chronic fatigue syndrome is. Having uncertainty is like the worst feeling, whether it's, you know, physical or mental or emotionally or even in business. So that's, that's gotta be a huge help. Yeah, I see that. Yeah. Yeah. So the community is great. And then lastly, it's, it's the hands-on help where we tell them okay for your specific situation here are the activities to stay away from here the activities to focus on if someone's a little more um more severe if they're semi-functional we look at what are those triggers for your nervous system right some people are still working when they come to us but they're deteriorating they're just not getting better so we need to figure out where those energy leaks what are those stressors but the biggest thing it's it's kind of like what we talked about earlier there's certain personality traits that people have that amplify these types of issues yeah type a personality perfectionist over thinker over analyzer high achiever so we have to teach them like we need to teach you to control these things like it's it's a double edged sword it's a superpower right yeah but if you don't learn how to control it it will control you and you're not even in the driver's seat of your own life and this is why you burned out. So it's teaching them to turn the dial down on those certain personality traits which is very difficult for a lot of people. Well I like what you said though there because you know we're not we're not necessarily suggesting that the stuff that's gotten you where you want to be you give up or you change. You just have to learn how to regulate right because you don't you don't want to take your biggest strength that's gotten you to where you want to be and you know just turn it off. And that's what we fear, right? As entrepreneurs or business owners or whatever. But if you can learn to regulate it, I like how you said education, but then being aware of it. And then obviously being able to kind of dial it in and turn it out because by default, like, let's be honest, most people that have personalities are a type. I'm one of them. You almost at a subconscious level, just operate that way. You don't consciously try to. So you do exacerbate any kind of a average situation for a lot of people, right? You've got to learn to recognize that and deal with it. Yeah, exactly. And like, you know, the people who get these kind of things, if we think about it like a car driving the cruise control speed, it's like redlining the engine. That's their baseline cruise control. And obviously something's going to go loose. Like they don't really meditate or they don't take a day off. And even if they take a physical day off, they're still thinking about work, even if they're with family. Right. So that's a big one. I had to learn how to disengage from work, even just temporarily. really. So it's teaching them to use those superpowers to their advantage and not against them. Yeah. What do you, what would you say is some of the uniqueness of what you guys do? You know, as opposed to traditional treatment models and things like that, you know, what makes your approach to recovery different or unique? Yeah, I think for a lot of people out there with CFS or long code or fibromyalgia, which essentially the same thing, the same family of issue. A lot of the resources out there, it's very education-based and it's like, here's what's going on. And in general, here's what you should do now, go apply it. So it's more general information. Whereas with us, like we like to get right down there in the trenches with them. Like we're there every day, five days a week, messaging them back and forth, just making sure things are on track. And it a very much it very much like we do it with you program versus you do it yourself Because I mean it can get very confusing The information like there a lot of information you could follow but how do you actually implement that It's like if you go to a gym, it's like reading all these gym books. But how do you build a program for yourself? How do you know when to do more? What if you get a tiny injury? Like how much do you pull back? So with us, we're really focusing on like, especially for the more severe cases, how many times can you go walk downstairs to go make your own food each week? How many times can you shower in a week? Okay, once we get there, when is it safe to leave the house or start working again? What does that even look like? And how do you balance that out with all these other things without crashing? Because that's another thing. The people who have this very sensitive, it doesn't take much for them to trigger a flare up. And a flare up means you're out for a few days, a few weeks, sometimes even where you are wiped out. So how do we mitigate that while reintegrating back into life? Yeah, I think in this day and age, and I've seen this over the last 20, 30 years of working with a lot of businesses and entrepreneurs, thought leaders, you know, it used to be about the information. And nowadays you can get the information, education, what things you need to do so easily and quickly. But I've seen it gravitate towards results really happen from the application of that information. And so I can see why having that, you know, a lot of times you can't see the forest through the trees yourself. And so it does help having someone to help you to do that. You know, there's probably a broad spectrum of people that deal with these types of issues and chronic issues. I think it also extends to just plain burnout and fatigue, you know, long-term fatigue for business owners. Do you have any kind of practical advice or steps that you would give someone if they're just, let's say that they're back where you were and they're saying, man, I'm noticing these things, probably not as big a deal, but they are affecting my life. What kind of advice or strategies or even tips would you give them in order to sort of grab the reins on this type of problem they're dealing with? yeah I'd say the biggest advice I could give and this is something I wish I well I don't regret anything but if I could go back in time I would tell myself this advice of dude just take take half a day off every single week take half a day off not just physically but when you're doing the thing mentally be there like you just you need some distance from the work or something your mind is so obsessed with, you need that space for it to just breathe, you know, take your foot off the gas pedal just 5% of the time and you'll be okay. But, you know, of course it's harder to do that than it is to give the advice. Right. So that's what I would say. Yeah. It's interesting because, you know, we, I've mentioned this a couple of times, you know, we look at ourselves sometimes as corporate athletes, right? There's athletes, professional athletes, they, they run and drive and grind and stress their muscles and things, but they put a lot of effort into recovery. Like they put time and energy and cold baths and massage and things like this. And it's in the recovery that we grow. And so if, if you're listening to this episode and you're out there grinding, you're experiencing some of these things and you just haven't learned to prioritize, you've got to understand the benefits of recovery because recovery is when the growth happens. And so I agree with your advice. I think even if you were to just block into your schedule some of the most important things, take some time, I think you can see a lot of benefits there. If somebody wanted to kind of start educating themselves and getting some more information and connect with you, what's the best way? Where can they go and sort of connect with you, get some thoughts on this, and start to educate themselves? Because there may be things they're not even recognizing, right? So where do they start to do that? yeah the best place to do that is going to be on youtube youtube or channel cfs recovery pretty much any symptom i have video about it any issue people come up with with cfs or long covid we have we have over 1800 videos on the youtube channel so pretty much go to the channel type it in there and you could learn about it you know everything from physical symptoms to even the emotional aspect of this stuff. And then we also have an Instagram if you want to DM me, just CFS Recovery. But we give out all the information for free. Yeah, I love it. So I'll actually, I'll put, if you're listening, I'll put all these links in the show notes in addition to the website. You know, you got some great content. I was kind of binging it the other day. And so I definitely would recommend people check this out because I recognize the importance and the effect that, you know, not just chronic fatigue and burnout have on your business, but on your personal life and relationships and mental and, you know, personal growth even. So, yeah, man, I really appreciate you joining us to share this thought. I want to ask you, you know, maybe one more time, is there anything that you feel is important, a message you want to kind of put out there, anything related to, you know, what you're trying to do with your business and with this whole topic? Any last few thoughts that you have to leave our listeners with? Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, if you are somebody who is dealing with a bunch of strange, mysterious symptoms that the doctors just can't figure out. Just know that there is hope. There's millions of people who deal with this as well. And recovery is absolutely possible. You know, as long as you've had your tests and scans ruled out, you can definitely get your life back and start thriving again. So, you know, if you need help with that, just check us out on YouTube. And if you know somebody with something like this or fibromyalgia, a big one nowadays is long COVID. There's a lot of people getting this. Then just send them to our channel. we've helped at this point over 1500 people um have come through our programs and we've helped them and that's not even including all the people who were covered with the free content so like yeah 3 000 no share this episode guys listen you know do do do yourself and others a favor you don't know what people are going through so don't just think about it from a standpoint of somebody you might think struggling most of the struggles on the inside so share this episode for sure. And we appreciate you spending time here listening to Miguel and myself. And I just, I guess I'd add one more thing. And that is, you know, I always tell people it's never too late to start living the life you're meant to live, but you do have to take steps. It takes work. It takes making the moves. And you know, if you're suffering from burnout, fatigue, chronic stress, anxiety, or even more serious symptoms, you know that. So take the steps, your life and everything you're doing right now will improve and get better, but you've got to take action. And so I appreciate you being with us today, Miguel. I appreciate you being here, man. This is a great topic. So thank you so much for being here. Yeah. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. That was fun. All right. Well, listen, everybody have an amazing day. I'll look forward to talking with you soon. Once again, this has been the Daily Mastermind. Talk to you tomorrow.
