All right. Welcome back to The Daily Mastermind, George Wright III with your daily dose of inspiration, motivation, and education. And we've got a great topic for you today. You guys are going to be super excited. We've got Charlene Giselle in the house. How are you, Charlene? I'm so excited to be here with you, George. Yeah. It's like a couple of planets aligned because our schedules are so crazy. And you're in Europe. I'm in the U.S. And so before we get started, let me give everybody a little bit of your background because they know that I'm pretty picky when it comes to finding guests. And I know that the topic you have today is going to help a lot of entrepreneurs and business owners. So Charlene is a former big law litigator turned high performance coach. She's the founder of Charlene Giselle Coaching Method, but she focuses on these topics of dopamine regulation, burnout recovery, personal growth, obviously, which is real near and dear to my heart, but optimizing recovery rather than just working less, which is kind of that common answer people tell people. So Charlene, I'm really glad to have you here today, but I love your story. So maybe you could start by just giving us kind of your background and what brought you into this whole field before we get into some of the strategies and tactics. Thanks, George. Well, the truth is the reason I'm into wellness now is because I wasn't into wellness earlier in my life I did it all wrong and had a complete burnout episode but I should just take you a few steps back before that it all started with when I was a little girl I was brought up by a hyper ambitious father total type A and I remember I must have been this tall when I thought I want to be exactly like him when I grew up I want to be successful. My favorite playground was his office, not my typical childhood, you know, little girls dream about riding unicorns or being a princess. I just wanted to be like daddy. So fast forward a few years, I studied as hard as I possibly could, got into Cambridge University when I didn't even speak English very well. So that was a bit of a challenge in itself. and I applied to what was at the time my dream law firm. I wanted to be a litigator in oil and gas, so quite specific, very high-octane type of job. And at this point of the story, George, typically we think, oh, here comes the part where she hated the job and the long hours and the grueling demands. It's the opposite, the opposite. I loved it. I became so obsessed. I loved every minute of it And I actually found myself in a position where I developed addictive traits. So I was a total workaholic. I neglected everything else. I got married relatively young in my career. And even that was not as important as billing. You know, I just wanted to bill more and more, work more and more. And just to give you a sense of my mindset, when I got diagnosed with insomnia, insomnia, one of my first reaction was, oh, good, more all-nighters, right? Like more time to work. That's great. Exactly. Exactly. And as shameful as it is, frankly, that was also my mindset when I got divorced. You know, some of the last departing words my ex-husband said to me was, you're not married to me, you're married to work. And he was 100% right. I honestly think, George, that I would have continued to work at that pace if it wasn't for the fact that a few years into that career my mother called into the office and told me that my father my hero had a burnout driven heart attack and George I would love to tell you that my instinct reaction was to pack up and go but I remember thinking the reason why I do what I do is because he's so proud of me and I think that if he could tell me what to do he would tell me to work so I worked wow by the time it got to Friday night my mother called again and said sweetie we don't think he's gonna make the night so you really need to get home and when I walked in to the hospital he had been admitted to intensive care and he had a stroke just before my eyes so that's the moment I realized what was waiting for me that was the moment i realized that my father my hero although still successful although still powerful from a career standpoint was facing imminent death what does that mean about success if you can't survive your success right how do you measure that success if the price you pay for acquiring that success is your life. So from that point onward, my measure of sustainable success was whether or not I was setting myself on a path where I was going to survive my success or find myself, just like my father, at a relatively young age, have a heart attack. And it's not just about my father, George. I'm sure you know many stories of catastrophic early death. I know this is a bit of a morbid conversation, but we do need to think about it. And in my line of work, too often folks come to tell me that they only have three motivations typically to come and see a burnout advisor. A, threat of divorce. It's one of the three Ds, right? My wife calls son how I work. She's about to leave or my husband. Second D is for diagnosis. I just got diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, with cancer, you name it. And third D is for death. Either it hit you like it did in my family or your boss died in front of you like it so happens for many of my clients or you're facing imminent death. And it's incredible, right, that we work so hard to acquire such incredible skills and we're so powerful in our jobs but we get so weak in our health and my mission is to really bridge the gap between well-being and high-powered career so I'm not at all there as an ambassador to say quit your job and go live in an ashram and not care about your work. I'm a firm believer in achieving a huge amount of success, but not to the point where you sacrifice your health, your relationships, your kids, your wife, your husband. Wow, that is amazing. No, and this is why, and if you're listening to this, you know why I wanted to have this conversation. Now, you said a couple of things that really caught me that I hadn't thought of even before our conversation. The first you said is that, and I think people can relate to this more than anything. You think people would say, oh, you know, I'm completely burned out and I don't want it and I don't like it. But I think there are a lot of founders, entrepreneurs and business owners like you that love the stress, that maybe they're addicted to the stress, but they don't look at the stress as being the problem. They actually like those intense environments. Like I love to get in to the boardroom and negotiate and have deadlines and I love it. Now, everyone around me doesn't necessarily love it like I do, which is part of the problem. But I think you're right. I think a lot love that environment, even though it's harmful for them. And you're not saying you should just get up and leave and don't be in it. There's just ways to manage it. So I really like that. But I also think, and I loved your three Ds, because I do believe most business owners, entrepreneurs, or anyone in life for that matter, might even be just a relationship, people have an event happen, which finally gets them to pay attention. And I've been in this personal development space for so long now. And for years, we did financial education, and people would get out of bed for that. They would come to events and they would learn, but personal development, we just couldn't really motivate them to do it unless they had an event of some kind. And the reason I wanted to do this conversation is that, you know, most people have had those events happen, and that's why they're listening to this. But even if you haven't, it's a it's awareness that those things are coming no matter what. And so I love your message there. But I also feel like, you know, most people feel they're so overwhelmed. How do they that very few people I know that are in high stress environments don't already know that's the case. They just don't see a window or a way out or a way to start or like they're there. they're in front of a runaway train and there's nothing they can do about it you can't just stop and regroup so where this is a great topic where do you begin with people how do you how did you as uh you talked about kind of jumping and pivoting because you did change careers how did you start making a shift and how do you help people to start making shifts and then we can kind of get into some details so first i would like to recommend not to do what i did and and i'll explain from a psychological standpoint why i say that the burnt out brain is not the best equipped to make really brilliant decision right so and i say that with a lot of love for my previous self but it is important to hear that message so if you're feeling totally overwhelmed totally burnt out right now first i want us to acknowledge that from a neuroscientific standpoint your brain has actually changed so let's just pose and accept that so your incredible mind your brain that you get paid for through your brilliance through the services you provide to this world has changed your prefrontal cortex has got thinner your amygdala is now actually getting overly activated and your hippocampus has shranked So those are not great news Good news though is that your brain wants to repair, wants to come back to that restoration state and you can grow back your hippocampus and you can restore that. But what I did when I burnt out was very radical which most people who are burnt out do radical things yes you think in like rational nuanced way so i'll tell you what i did but really i want to repeat i don't recommend that folks listening do that i i i packed up and left george i i genuinely just left my life left my career and I ran to India to an ashram and and even though with hindsight I learned so much and I'm so grateful for the practitioner that I met there and I became a meditation teacher and that was the beginning of my work on the science of the brain and hypnotherapy etc that was too radical of a shift. It was part of my burnout symptoms. It's like, and I'm sure some people can relate to this, listening to this, I want to burn my business down. I wake up, it's made me millions in the bank, but I so dread that freaking Monday morning that I want to burn it down, right? Or I'm going to divorce my spouse. I'm not even going to go to counseling or therapy. I'm just going to quit, right? I'm just going to get a divorce. And again, sometimes divorcing is the best thing to do. But if you're listening to this, just refrain from big, bold, radical decision because your burnt out brain is on high alert, on flight or freeze, and is going to make you do things that are not nuanced enough. So if you're listening to this, what you need to know is to be less radical, you need to be aware of the fact that you may be approaching the brink of burnout. You may be in burnout approaching zone. Now, that's an interesting one because you don't need to like say the house is on fire. We just need to run an exit like I did. You're saying, huh, there's been slips. There's been behavior changes. Something needs to be done. So what would those be, George? So those would be behavior shifts. For example, let's talk about alcohol consumption. You used to drink happily to celebrate with your wife. You had your nice glass. now you're reaching for the bottle on the Monday night because you had a shit time at work you used to eat you were a bit of an epicurean you had this droit de vivre you like going to a gastro Michelin star restaurant and now you're eating a freaking packet of crisp in your sofa, in your pyjamas and you've put on 15 pounds you used to go golfing with your friends on a Saturday and then go fishing once a quarter with your friends and now instead you laze out and you go on Netflix or Apple TV and you watch out shows to numb your brain out. So those are really clear behavioral shifts. And just to be clear, Charlene, so these are shifts that would identify that you are approaching burnout? Yes. Like these are the things that you would be aware of to know that you're approaching this because your behavior is shifting. Got it. Keep going. Totally. Another big one, and I really want to highlight that, is you use excuses. So you say, I'll do anything for my family. My wife and my daughters come first. And that's the reason why I work so much, because I want to be a provider and I want to make money. And then when I get home, I snap at my wife and I lose it with my daughter. She's talking to me. I'm not even present. I'm on my phone, super anxious. And I tell her off if she's on her phone as a teenager, but I'm on my phone as a father. Right? Wow. So actually, you're saying that you're doing it all for your family. But you know who you're treating worse than everyone else in your life? That family. You're saying that you're working to be best father of the year. And actually, your wife is that close to leaving you. And she's already had two appointments with the divorce attorneys. And you're not in alignment with what you're actually saying. You're actually saying one thing, but even personally, you're not aligning with it at all. That makes a lot of sense. And I did that. It cost me a marriage. So I know very well what I'm talking about here, you know, and I'm happily remarried. And I have learned that my commitment to my spouse cannot be something that I don't honor as much as I honor my commitment to my business. I didn't stop working hard. I don't believe in less hard work. I'm still a very hard worker, but I make sure that it's not to the extent where it hurts people I love. And that's really important. I think that's huge. I want to back up to something you said a little earlier because I'm following you here and I think there's probably a lot of people listening. I've had times in my career and it cycles. I've had times that I've definitely felt that burnout. I've had all those same type of behavior shifts, got on top of it, had it happen again. But you said something I really liked, and it's where personal development and neuroscience start to connect. Because I think a lot of A personalities and founders and entrepreneurs, business owners that get burned out, they don't want to recognize that it's necessarily them or they don't know what to do. But you said something. You said you have to first recognize that your brain is not equipped to deal with it, recognize it or whatever else. And I think it's important to really highlight that because we talk about in the world of personal development that you're not the best person to help you grow a lot of times because you can't see yourself. But this is literally neuroscience you're talking about now where you've got to recognize that even your thought process is messed up or maybe not bad or wrong. It's just not equipped to deal with the burnout and recognize the behavior. That's why you don't see the forest through the trees when your behavior starts to shift, correct? 100%. And you know how you can get a sense of that, George, is when you're going to bed. Let's say it's 1 a.m. You've had a full day. You've had three board meetings, crazy client demands, so much requests, and you're exhausted, but you can't fall asleep because you're ruminating and you're thinking what I could have done, what I should have done. this is a clear indication that your default train of thoughts is shifted to the negative and this is actually something that you can retrain and reprogram now why is this particularly interesting to have a look at at night when you're on your pillow facing the ceiling is because you're not in to-do mode you don't have to tick something off your list so what my clients often tell me is why is it I'm tired, but I'm wired? It's that time when I need to sleep most. I know I have to wake up at 7am to take a call with Sydney. And then it gets harder. And then it's harder to sleep, right? And it's like I have multiple voices in my head and I can't turn off my mind. That's what I hear all the time. I can't switch off. I log off. I can't switch off. So if you feel this way, This means your brain is actually burnt out. Your brain can no longer do anything other than task, focus, tick, boxing, list productivity. And in that chase of productivity, always on the go, always busy, you've actually lost the power of compartmentalizing and being able to choose your thoughts. Yeah, you can't actually make it change, right? I've had that happen where you go to bed and you're just like, you're working deals or you wake up in the middle of the night, you're right in the middle of working a deal that you were working during the day. You just don't understand why your brain does that. And you're saying it's actually, you know, physical neuroscientifically you've changed your brain. I mean, your brain's wiring and firing a different way, right? A hundred percent. It is more predisposed to high anxiety, high stress, and to negative thoughts. Is that an, I don't know how else to say it, an addictive type thing that your brain now craves that? Or is it an actual neurological, like, because you said you could train yourself to move away from that? Is it similar to where you'd have addictive caffeine or whatever it is, and so you naturally go that way? Is that what it is? Great question. So we have to distinguish a little bit two things. So there is the physical changes that happen to your brain. So those are mostly driven by two factors, your sedentary lifestyle. So the fact that you have an office based environment is not going to help. Hands burnout is so frequent in white collar professional service providers because we tend to be rewarded, promoted and get a big box bonuses when we sat on our butts. Right? Yes. Non-stop. 12 hours a day Yeah Unless you a professional athlete So that a different category But here we were talking about white professional service providers You tend to be paid for what you can execute the service you can render and that tends to be sedentary So you work 12, 13, 14 hours. You're sedentary. you don't actually pay that much importance to your body because you're not getting paid for what your body is able to perform or not. You just think you get rewarded or paid for what your brain can do. And little do you know that in that process, you're literally shrinking that brain. So sedentary Is it a portion of the brain or just, you know, it's a certain part of your brain that's shrinking because you're just not activating your physical movement. Yeah, the hippocampus, which is also the part of your brain that you really need for memory, which is one of the reasons when you're experiencing burnout, you feel more anxiety, you procrastinate, you make less sharp decisions, you're more hesitant, and you lose your confidence, right? So this is very common that I get very senior, are very seasoned top c-level executives get to the promotion get to the ball meeting get to the c-suite level but have very low self-esteem have societal thoughts have societal ideation and actually just want to find a way out right and that way out can be really really dark so in my line of work we call those escape fantasies now that sounds quite fun and glamorous but in my work. Escape fantasies is now buying a one-way ticket to Bali. It's checking out. It's checking out. It's daydreaming about being hit by a bus. It's fantasizing about how you're not going to make it back home tonight. It's starting to think about your life insurance and putting your kids and your wife, making sure that they're financially secured once you're gone. It's actually taking those steps. So those are escape fantasies. They can be very serious. I had a client drive in a state of total sleep deficit and hope. It's not like he tried to come apart, but he was kind of hoping that if he doesn't make it, then that would be a relief for everyone. And maybe even subconsciously push himself far enough that knew he would be sleep deprived and things like that. Correct. So you're saying that this physical part, the physical shrinking of the hippocampus leads to all these things from memory to self-esteem and self-loss. That's just part of the thing that you have to focus on. Well, that's one aspect, but there's other aspects. The fact that your dopamine is totally hijacked. So, you know, one thing is how your brain operates. The other is how the anxiety is creeping in. And then the burnout is leading to all of that. But then there is other factor, which you mentioned about addiction, that would be more to do with dopamine. So you get a huge hit of dopamine when you watch porn, when you eat a donut, when you scroll on TikTok, when you do things that are high reward, low effort. OK, so you get this really big surge of dopamine. And guess what, George? It feels pretty good. So that's why we do those things. You get a high hit of dopamine when you watch your favorite show on Netflix, especially when you click next, right? Yeah, yeah. So dopamine is not bad. It's your motivation molecule. So it's not a bad thing at all. The problem is cheap dopamine. So you get a big hit, low reward. Now, if you're going on a Monday morning on a walk with your dog in nature and you just cuddle your dog and throw a ball and have a few playful moments, that's going to be a dopamine release but that's good dopamine because there's been a high effort high effort moderate reward you go on a hike with your wife and you have to like really hike and it's a fortfall it's a bit dirty and it's hard and you're running out of water or whatever and then you watch the sunset holding hand and kissing each other gently dopamine healthy dopamine right high effort and then you get the reward you read a book you've had a bath So, but these are not like hijacked. They're not like super powerful, potent dopamines. And you don't tend to like chase more. So it's not like you watch a sunset and you go, where's my next sunset? Keep going, keep going, keep going, right? Keep going, right? Because they're moderate. So it's really interesting. But the reason I gave you all this example, I hope you noticed I didn't mention work. And when you talk about dopamine, typically we don't tend to talk about work. And this is where I come in. Because in my line of work, what I've identified is that work is one of the highest, most addictive substance out there. Wow. Yeah. And people don't think about that because that's what they think about as their necessary path for success and all those things. But it's almost like shifting from a reward of accomplishment to the day-to-day being that reward that you're looking for. And you just want to continue to work hard all time, long time, right? A hundred percent, George. You're spot on. And specifically, you know, what's interesting and that's the additional layer of complexity is that typically if you go to a network event and you have one too many drinks, at first people are going to think you're hilarious. and maybe if you have that one extra drink your boss is going to start to be a bit concerned if he's a good boss i'm gonna you know take you to the side and say hey maybe you want to put that drink down i think you've had enough right or your wife is going to express concern he should start taking recreational drug if you have good friends or good family members or people who love you and how benevolent they're going to express concerns maybe they'll party and and be enablers but at one point they may you know say i'm concerned but when it comes to walk how often do people who love you tell you oh you're going down a dangerous path you got another promotion yeah yeah very very because they don't want to attack your you know self-worth your confidence your recognition either. Right, but also you're acquiring status. You're acquiring money. You're acquiring a lot of net worth. So why would somebody tell you off for that? Or even not tell you off, warn you against that, right? You got this, get more. You made that much money, double that. You made that promotion, double that. You made that bonus, have three bonuses, right? So it's encouraged. And even people who love you encourage it. So demanding. Well, and it's because they don't want they know they don't want to be that negative influence in your life. But also they don't understand the hidden, you know, downside of it. Right. They don't understand the detrimental side of it. Because if they did, I think if people understood what it was doing for you personally, internally, and things like this as a high achiever, they probably would be more aware and want to say things. But I think you're right. I think it's very hidden. Very hidden, indeed. Very hidden. And the other thing is if it's for the good cause, a.k.a. you're providing for the family, who can blame you for that, really? That's a tough one. Yeah. And it's often the excuse, right? I'm not present, but I'm making money. So give me grace. Like, give me a break. What are you complaining about? Like, why are you nagging me? I'm here making money. True, true. And put aside the fact most high achievers, A personalities are very difficult to talk to in the first place. So just even approaching you on something is difficult. Okay, so let's do this because, man, I wish we had a ton of time. I'd like to shift gears for a second and just give us some ideas of where someone would start if they've recognized this behavior, if they're feeling the burnout, where do they go with this? What do you typically recommend for clients and what are some things that they can do? this is not going to be a popular answer so listener forgive me in advance but I'm going to give it to you straight you need external help the thought that you can undo a problem you created for yourself I know how good it feels to think that you've got this and that you can achieve anything and I know you can achieve anything I have no doubt but when it comes to burnout, your brains change, you're in high anxiety, you have what we call in psychology high functioning anxiety, right? So you think differently, your world has shifted, your physiology has shifted, your body's shifted, your hormonal profile has shifted, your testosterone is most likely tanked, your whole body is going through an actual change. So we need help. We need to work with someone who knows the physiological component of burnout. In other words, somebody who is not going to give you a cookie cutter program of telling you work less and work out more, right? No, no, no. I'm talking somebody who's going to tell you this is the type of blood work that I need to see. And this is why I need you to test out your thyroid. And this is why I need to see your testosterone. and this is why I need to do a cortisol saliva test and this is why I need you to know, this is why I need how many REM sleep hours you're getting each night. You need to do a whole inventory you need to have a look at the whole machine Like if you doing Formula One and the car breaks down you don just say oh okay okay fine Let just get another car right You going to get your hands dirty and you going to understand where does it come from What happened? Where's the fault, right? So you're the machine. You're the whole machine. So I want to know everything. I want to know the wheels. I want to know everything, right? Yeah. So work with someone who is actually going to approach your recovery like an investigator. that's the way I like to work with my clients and I always give a warning when I start working with someone like we're about to get really intimate here I'm gonna ask you how you think how you sleep how you love how you go to the toilet what you eat what you wear how you drink your coffee because I want to know if you've been exposed to microplastic I want to know if there is mold in your house I want to know everything right I want to know your environment then from this part on word once we actually looked at the physiology we're going to look at how you work how you pace yourself what is your mindset around work my speciality and what i believe in is not to reduce your workload because you know only you can do that if you're the founder or the ceo or only you can do that i'm not a magician i don't do workload reduction but i can help you change your mindset around the way you approach work and i think that's really what a burnout expert particularly using tools like clinical hypnotherapy or NLP can really help you do because it is just a story you've been telling yourself about how you work and what you believe you need to sacrifice and what you've been trading for too long, right? Burnout is nothing else and nothing more than having done too much for too little recovery for too long of a period of time. Like you're out of You're out of gas. You're out of fuel. The initial definition of burnout was when a space rocket actually runs out of fuel. That's where the word comes from. Nice. Yeah. Well, I love that you're saying it's not just a mental thing you can shift. There's some physical component, there's some mental component, and then you have to train yourself back into the right habits, right? And philosophy and perspective at how you view work, right? oh my goodness George I'm so glad you said that you know how many people I see on a daily practice that come knocking on my door and say I've worked with a therapist for two years no disrespect I love therapists I've used them so love the profession however if you work with a therapist who doesn't want to see or doesn't ask your blood work and you've been with them for two years talking about mommy and daddy just freaking run away you need to work with someone who's going to look at your physiology who understands that we need to repair your brain who understands that we look at your hormone profile who understand that we need to do a dopamine detox right so yes talk therapy has a time and place I love it I love it when I'm in a place where I know my physiology is well and spot-on and optimized talk therapy if your engine is on fire and the car is no longer running and turning on it's not effective it's just not effective so you need to work with someone who is going to look at your body, your brain, and then your mindset. Yeah. And I, and I think that's why a lot of individuals think you, you mentioned dopamine detox or maybe working out more or this or that. And it's like anything else. Like when you go try to get in physical shape at the gym, but you're eating really bad or you're trying to meditate, but first of all, you can't focus. So you can't meditate. You know, you're trying to meditate because you think that's the thing that's going to shift it when your physical being is struggling to even do that. I think that this holistic approach is something that I share a lot of interest in, but also I think that's why I wanted to highlight it on the episode today because I do think that the holistic approach is what you have to do to approach anything in life as well. There is the physical, there is the mental, then there is your brain, your mindset and your habits, and they all kind of go together. I really like that. And I know you have a lot of resources that you do for individuals, even outside your clients, because you just, you know, you generally work with real high end clients, corporate clients, but you had some really good resources as well that you recommend. men. So let's say someone is just starting down this path. How do they, where, where could they go to get some information? Where could they connect with you? How could they kind of start to dip more into this conversation if they've heard this one and they've said, oh, I didn't even think about it being, you know, part of my brain and my mind and my body and everything like that. Where do they start? Well, the first thing I would say is get a bit of a sense of where you're at, right self-awareness is key knowledge is power we know that especially if they're your listeners they've heard this from you many times before so the first place i would go to is one of my burnout assessment tests so i have a little quiz that really allows you to just get a sense for where you're at so if you look at my name and you just look at charlaine giselle one of the first thing you'll find is a burnout assessment and i think that's a really good place to start it's not a a diagnosis let's be super clear we want you to work with your MD with your professional doctor but it's a really good place to understand where you stand where is where's your burnout risk right it's an assessment to assess where you are on the burnout spectrum right got it that's the first thing the second is once you've done that and you see that you have a high risk then generally just just talk to someone who knows what they're talking about like a burnout expert we exist I know this is not a very common profession. Yeah, you don't hear it very often, so that's good. You don't, but yes, I'm a professional burnout advisor. That's what I do day in and day out. I specialize in everything to do with burnout, from your behavior to your marriage to your children, to your diet, to your dreams and your nightmares. So just talk to someone who knows a thing or two about burnout. I think that would save many years. It would have certainly fast-tracked many of my years of trials and error. and frankly I became the coach that I wanted to be or that I wanted to find when I didn't find. That would be the first thing. And then just really take a little bit of time to reflect. To reflect and to have a good night's sleep if you're struggling with sleep. I have a Sleepcast as well that is a complementary resource that you can download. It uses hypnotic cues, so really gentle, very safe. and it's a protocol that will help you fall asleep. Please do not listen to it if you're driving, especially if you've been sleep deprived because it will put you to sleep. And the reason I mentioned that is a good night's sleep can help you just see a little bit clearer. It will restore your brain. It will downregulate your nervous system. And then we can talk about more tools like meditation, workout, et cetera. But I want to really pace it down. So I don't want to give too much because one of the biggest problem with type A, not problem, let's say challenge, and i include myself in it is time yeah it's it's time but it's also wanting to do too many things at once so i have type a clients that take their burnout recovery so far that they want too many things and they just go home and say i'm gonna do this and i'm gonna do that i'm gonna sign up for a race and i'm gonna do a meditation i'm gonna go for a retreat and i'm gonna right okay you're just gonna do another another vicious circle of burnout overwhelm here you need to actually just pace it it down. And as a special gift to, you know, being your listener, I would really love to invite for a candid conversation. You can grab a virtual coffee with me. I'll have a strategy call and mention your name and I'll be happy to talk to you about where you're at and how we can help with your burnout. So I love it. I love it. No, this is very helpful. I think being self-aware, assessing, knowing that there are resources and then beginning to pick away at it. I think, you know, if you're listening to this and you're dealing with any of the burnout and the stress and this idea that any of this resonates with you, I think it is important that you, number one, I just think you've got to prioritize you. You have to prioritize you, but you also have to accept and be patient that this is a process, right? You may have worked 10, 20, 30, 40 years of your life to get to this point. You don't fix it overnight, even though we're all high achievers, we can do everything, right? So I really wish we had more time. In fact, we might have to have you back because I have a whole list of questions I've been kind of like writing here. So we may do that. But in the meantime, listen, if you have heard anything here that resonates with you, I'll put links in the show notes to Charlene's site as well as some of these resources. So I encourage you to go check those out. I encourage you to make the decision to prioritize yourself, which by default means your family, your lifestyle. We talk about on the Daily Mastermind, Mind, Body, Money, Business, but it is all just to create the life that you want to live, that you deserve to live. But it can only happen if you put a focus on it. So Charlene, I appreciate you being with us here today. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, George. I love the work that you do, and I'm so grateful to be sharing this space with you today. Well, you're obviously a pro. You've had a lot of experience with this. So I'm very grateful for your time. And for those of you that are listening, make sure you share this show. There's a lot of people out there that probably can benefit from this, and you never know who they are. So share it with somebody you know. And hit me up on The Daily Mastermind on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. Make sure that you let me know what you're struggling with, what you're dealing with, and I'll look forward to talking with you on our next episode. Have a great day. For more information, visit www.fema.org
